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=Does vinyl intrinsically require a superior master than CD?=
 
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CDs have only one (extremely strong) restriction on how loud they can be cut - the digital peak level, 0dbFS - and (almost) anything that doesn't violate that restriction is permissible. Vinyl manufacturing has many different restrictions, and they are all rather loose, in that the restrictions can be sometimes relaxed.
 
CDs have only one (extremely strong) restriction on how loud they can be cut - the digital peak level, 0dbFS - and (almost) anything that doesn't violate that restriction is permissible. Vinyl manufacturing has many different restrictions, and they are all rather loose, in that the restrictions can be sometimes relaxed.
 
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* The grooves can actually overlap each other if they are too loud. This can be alleviated by spacing the grooves further apart.
* The grooves can actually overlap each other if they are too loud. This can be alleviated by spacing the grooves further apart.
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* If the groove "moves" quickly enough - its velocity is high enough - some turntable cartridges will be unable to track the groove, and a skip results.
* If the groove "moves" quickly enough - its velocity is high enough - some turntable cartridges will be unable to track the groove, and a skip results.
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* Just like the voice coils in a speaker can burn up if enough energy is dumped into them, the voice coils on a cutter head can burn up if the signal is of a high enough power. (The amplifiers range into the hundreds of watts and the coils themselves are liquid- or helium-cooled, depending on who you ask, so the powers involved here really are quite substantial.) The historical solution to this is a special limiterthat squashes the high frequencies in the music if the cutting head temperature exceeded some threshold. Clearly not a high-fidelity solution (and many mastering engineers do not use them nowadays).
* Just like the voice coils in a speaker can burn up if enough energy is dumped into them, the voice coils on a cutter head can burn up if the signal is of a high enough power. (The amplifiers range into the hundreds of watts and the coils themselves are liquid- or helium-cooled, depending on who you ask, so the powers involved here really are quite substantial.) The historical solution to this is a special limiterthat squashes the high frequencies in the music if the cutting head temperature exceeded some threshold. Clearly not a high-fidelity solution (and many mastering engineers do not use them nowadays).
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* Excessive stereo bass content (bass in one frequency or another) can compromise tracking or even make the cutting head jump out of the groove. This is sometimes solved with an elliptical filter, which sums bass frequencies to mono. Again, not all mastering engineers use this.
    * Excessive stereo bass content (bass in one frequency or another) can compromise tracking or even make the cutting head jump out of the groove. This is sometimes solved with an elliptical filter, which sums bass frequencies to mono. Again, not all mastering engineers use this.
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None of these restrictions explicitly say "hypercompressed, distorting music cannot be cut onto vinyl". Rather, that music may be more difficult to cut and play back than other music.
 
None of these restrictions explicitly say "hypercompressed, distorting music cannot be cut onto vinyl". Rather, that music may be more difficult to cut and play back than other music.
  
 
=How many different ways can a CD master differ from a vinyl master?=
 
=How many different ways can a CD master differ from a vinyl master?=
# The CD and vinyl masters might just be exactly the same: the same signal that goes on the ADC goes on the cutting head.
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# The CD and vinyl masters might just be exactly the same: the same signal that goes on the ADC goes on the cutting head.
# Acceleration limiting might be used on the vinyl master.
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# Acceleration limiting might be used on the vinyl master.
# Elliptic filtering (bass sums to mono) might be used on the vinyl master.
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# Elliptic filtering (bass sums to mono) might be used on the vinyl master.
# The vinyl master may be sourced from a 24-bit version of the CD master. (However, the high noise content of vinyl generally makes this a meaningless distinction.)
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# The vinyl master may be sourced from a 24-bit version of the CD master. (However, the high noise content of vinyl generally makes this a meaningless distinction.)
# The vinyl master may be sourced from a higher-sampling-rate version of the CD master. (However, the demonstrated inaudibility of frequencies above 20khz makes this a meaningless distinction.)
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# The vinyl master may be sourced from a higher-sampling-rate version of the CD master. (However, the demonstrated inaudibility of frequencies above 20khz makes this a meaningless distinction.)
# The vinyl master may be EQ'd differently to account for equalization differences in the cutting head, electronics, or playback devices.
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# The vinyl master may be EQ'd differently to account for equalization differences in the cutting head, electronics, or playback devices.
# Finally, the vinyl master ''might'' be sourced from a master with less dynamic range compression or limiting than the CD master.
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# Finally, the vinyl master ''might'' be sourced from a master with less dynamic range compression or limiting than the CD master. '''This is the only distinction between a vinyl an CD master that is meaningful''' - in the sense that information exists on the vinyl master, in terms of reduced compression, that does not exist on the CD master.
  
=How do you know if a vinyl master is truly different than a CD master, ie, it has less dynamic range compression?=
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=How do you know if a vinyl master is audibly superior than the CD master?=
  
You ask the mastering engineer what he did. Other that, that, '''you don't know'''.
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You ask the mastering engineer what he did. Other that, that, generally, '''you don't know'''. There are certainly many ''wrong'' ways to determine this, which can lead to false positives and false negatives.
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* Many people look at large-scale waveform plots, like those available in Audacity and Audition, and compare the waveforms across the entire piece of music. '''This does not work'''. The distortions present in vinyl - everything from subsample delays in the recording process to phase errors in the analog electronics to tracking and tracing distortion - ensure that even if the vinyl is cut with the exact same master as the CD, the peaks will be considerably higher, even during regions of gross clipping. Thus this technique is generally not acceptable, even though it is by far the most popular.
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* RMS loudness estimates, such as the industry standard RMS figure and ReplayGain, are ineffective because they require a reference level to compare the vinyl and CD versions against. No such reference level exists.
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* Experimental dynamic range estimators, such as pfpf and SparkleMeter, are useful in teasing out substantial differences in dynamic range, and may be quite useful in estimating when they become audible, rather than . pfpf, in particular, is designed to be immune to moderate levels of clipping distortion, under the expectation that clipping is either going to be inaudible or going to affect the timbral character of the music, not the dynamic range.
  
=Some known examples: Vinyl releases with a different master than the CD=
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The one consistently accepted method of showing reduced compression is to show the individual samples in a clipped waveform against the same waveform in a different master that is not clipped. But again, this method is not foolproof: Various distortions can mask the clipping so that it is not consistently at the signal peak, yet still retains its characteristic distortion. However, clipping may not exist obviously in hypercompressed music, and even if a difference exists, it very well may not be audible.
  
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=Is less compressed music always of a superior quality?=
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Sometimes. Low levels of clipping and hard limiting (perhaps up to 3db!) are surprisingly inaudible. Excessive dynamic range is generally contrary to many peoples' listening habits and situations; few people will tolerate the full dynamic range of a symphony orchestra in their living rooms, or the full loudness of a live rock band. Modern music listeners consistently perceive less compressed music as being drier in tone and less pleasing to the ear than modern mastering styles.
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That said, just like speaking in different tones and loudnesses of voice is considered more emotional and human than speaking monotonically, music with a wider dynamic range is generally perceived as being more emotional than music with a tight dynamic range. And once the dynamic range is crushed out of the music, it generally cannot be added back in at a later time. The information representing by the dynamic range is effectively destroyed. These factors, as well as the diverse other factors mentioned in discussions of the "Loudness War", ultimately reduce the value of modern-mastered records in many peoples' view.
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=Some known examples: Vinyl releases with a different master than the CD=
 
Steve Hoffman's work is ''generally'' known for distinctly different masterings compared to equivalent CD releases. His mastering of ZZ Top's ''Tres Hombres'' includes diverse changes, including a much less compressed drum track. His mastering of the White Stripes's ''Icky Thump'' is also well praised for being distinctly different (and better) than the CD release.
 
Steve Hoffman's work is ''generally'' known for distinctly different masterings compared to equivalent CD releases. His mastering of ZZ Top's ''Tres Hombres'' includes diverse changes, including a much less compressed drum track. His mastering of the White Stripes's ''Icky Thump'' is also well praised for being distinctly different (and better) than the CD release.
  
=One known counterexample: A vinyl release with the same master as the CD=
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=Some known counterexamples: Vinyl releases with the same master as the CD=
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* Foo Fighters, ''In Your Honor'' 45rpm 4LP. Steve Berson, Total Sonic Mastering: "When I cut the vinyl DMM masters for the first "special edition" release of the 45rpm 4-LP set for the Foo Fighters "In Your Honor" album the producers made a big deal out of wanting to have an "audiophile" release and made sure that I could work from 24bit/96kHz source (which I was able to do at Europadisk due to SAWStudio sending to a matched pair of Lavry Blues that went to both the pitch depth computer and the cutting head) and that I did as close to a flat transfer from these as possible. '''I was disappointed to find that the high res files I received from Bob Ludwig for the most part had been heavily clipped as they were the same files (just prior to SRC and dithering) that the CD master was made from. " http://www.gearslutz.com/board/1706712-post20.html
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=Vinyl releases suspected of being of different masters than the CD=
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* REM, ''Accelerate''
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* Battles, ''Mirrored''
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* Slayer, ''Christ Illusion''
  
Steve Berson, Total Sonic Mastering: "When I cut the vinyl DMM masters for the first "special edition" release of the 45rpm 4-LP set for the Foo Fighters "In Your Honor" album the producers made a big deal out of wanting to have an "audiophile" release and made sure that I could work from 24bit/96kHz source (which I was able to do at Europadisk due to SAWStudio sending to a matched pair of Lavry Blues that went to both the pitch depth computer and the cutting head) and that I did as close to a flat transfer from these as possible. '''I was disappointed to find that the high res files I received from Bob Ludwig for the most part had been heavily clipped as they were the same files (just prior to SRC and dithering) that the CD master was made from. " http://www.gearslutz.com/board/1706712-post20.html
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=Vinyl releases suspected of being the same master as the CD=
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* The Decemberists, ''The Crane Wife''
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* REM, ''Accelerate''
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** Commentary is very divisive. Some people believe the vinyl is clearly superior to the CD, and some people abhor the vinyl as sounding hypercompressed.
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* Autechre: ''Untilted'', ''Chiastic Slide'', ''Gantz Graf'' (and probably all others)
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* Shellac: ''Excellent Italian Greyhound'' (and probably all others)
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* Of Montreal, ''Hissing Fauna: Are You The Destroyer?''

Revision as of 01:42, 9 September 2008

Does vinyl intrinsically require a superior master than CD?

There's this idea floating around that vinyl records must have intrinsically different masterings than CDs of the same material. There's both a kernel of truth to this, and a few gigantic myths.

CDs have only one (extremely strong) restriction on how loud they can be cut - the digital peak level, 0dbFS - and (almost) anything that doesn't violate that restriction is permissible. Vinyl manufacturing has many different restrictions, and they are all rather loose, in that the restrictions can be sometimes relaxed.

  • The grooves can actually overlap each other if they are too loud. This can be alleviated by spacing the grooves further apart.
  • If the groove "moves" quickly enough - its velocity is high enough - some turntable cartridges will be unable to track the groove, and a skip results.
  • Just like the voice coils in a speaker can burn up if enough energy is dumped into them, the voice coils on a cutter head can burn up if the signal is of a high enough power. (The amplifiers range into the hundreds of watts and the coils themselves are liquid- or helium-cooled, depending on who you ask, so the powers involved here really are quite substantial.) The historical solution to this is a special limiterthat squashes the high frequencies in the music if the cutting head temperature exceeded some threshold. Clearly not a high-fidelity solution (and many mastering engineers do not use them nowadays).
  • Excessive stereo bass content (bass in one frequency or another) can compromise tracking or even make the cutting head jump out of the groove. This is sometimes solved with an elliptical filter, which sums bass frequencies to mono. Again, not all mastering engineers use this.

None of these restrictions explicitly say "hypercompressed, distorting music cannot be cut onto vinyl". Rather, that music may be more difficult to cut and play back than other music.

How many different ways can a CD master differ from a vinyl master?

  1. The CD and vinyl masters might just be exactly the same: the same signal that goes on the ADC goes on the cutting head.
  2. Acceleration limiting might be used on the vinyl master.
  3. Elliptic filtering (bass sums to mono) might be used on the vinyl master.
  4. The vinyl master may be sourced from a 24-bit version of the CD master. (However, the high noise content of vinyl generally makes this a meaningless distinction.)
  5. The vinyl master may be sourced from a higher-sampling-rate version of the CD master. (However, the demonstrated inaudibility of frequencies above 20khz makes this a meaningless distinction.)
  6. The vinyl master may be EQ'd differently to account for equalization differences in the cutting head, electronics, or playback devices.
  7. Finally, the vinyl master might be sourced from a master with less dynamic range compression or limiting than the CD master. This is the only distinction between a vinyl an CD master that is meaningful - in the sense that information exists on the vinyl master, in terms of reduced compression, that does not exist on the CD master.

How do you know if a vinyl master is audibly superior than the CD master?

You ask the mastering engineer what he did. Other that, that, generally, you don't know. There are certainly many wrong ways to determine this, which can lead to false positives and false negatives.

  • Many people look at large-scale waveform plots, like those available in Audacity and Audition, and compare the waveforms across the entire piece of music. This does not work. The distortions present in vinyl - everything from subsample delays in the recording process to phase errors in the analog electronics to tracking and tracing distortion - ensure that even if the vinyl is cut with the exact same master as the CD, the peaks will be considerably higher, even during regions of gross clipping. Thus this technique is generally not acceptable, even though it is by far the most popular.
  • RMS loudness estimates, such as the industry standard RMS figure and ReplayGain, are ineffective because they require a reference level to compare the vinyl and CD versions against. No such reference level exists.
  • Experimental dynamic range estimators, such as pfpf and SparkleMeter, are useful in teasing out substantial differences in dynamic range, and may be quite useful in estimating when they become audible, rather than . pfpf, in particular, is designed to be immune to moderate levels of clipping distortion, under the expectation that clipping is either going to be inaudible or going to affect the timbral character of the music, not the dynamic range.

The one consistently accepted method of showing reduced compression is to show the individual samples in a clipped waveform against the same waveform in a different master that is not clipped. But again, this method is not foolproof: Various distortions can mask the clipping so that it is not consistently at the signal peak, yet still retains its characteristic distortion. However, clipping may not exist obviously in hypercompressed music, and even if a difference exists, it very well may not be audible.

Is less compressed music always of a superior quality?

Sometimes. Low levels of clipping and hard limiting (perhaps up to 3db!) are surprisingly inaudible. Excessive dynamic range is generally contrary to many peoples' listening habits and situations; few people will tolerate the full dynamic range of a symphony orchestra in their living rooms, or the full loudness of a live rock band. Modern music listeners consistently perceive less compressed music as being drier in tone and less pleasing to the ear than modern mastering styles.

That said, just like speaking in different tones and loudnesses of voice is considered more emotional and human than speaking monotonically, music with a wider dynamic range is generally perceived as being more emotional than music with a tight dynamic range. And once the dynamic range is crushed out of the music, it generally cannot be added back in at a later time. The information representing by the dynamic range is effectively destroyed. These factors, as well as the diverse other factors mentioned in discussions of the "Loudness War", ultimately reduce the value of modern-mastered records in many peoples' view.


Some known examples: Vinyl releases with a different master than the CD

Steve Hoffman's work is generally known for distinctly different masterings compared to equivalent CD releases. His mastering of ZZ Top's Tres Hombres includes diverse changes, including a much less compressed drum track. His mastering of the White Stripes's Icky Thump is also well praised for being distinctly different (and better) than the CD release.

Some known counterexamples: Vinyl releases with the same master as the CD

  • Foo Fighters, In Your Honor 45rpm 4LP. Steve Berson, Total Sonic Mastering: "When I cut the vinyl DMM masters for the first "special edition" release of the 45rpm 4-LP set for the Foo Fighters "In Your Honor" album the producers made a big deal out of wanting to have an "audiophile" release and made sure that I could work from 24bit/96kHz source (which I was able to do at Europadisk due to SAWStudio sending to a matched pair of Lavry Blues that went to both the pitch depth computer and the cutting head) and that I did as close to a flat transfer from these as possible. I was disappointed to find that the high res files I received from Bob Ludwig for the most part had been heavily clipped as they were the same files (just prior to SRC and dithering) that the CD master was made from. " http://www.gearslutz.com/board/1706712-post20.html

Vinyl releases suspected of being of different masters than the CD

  • REM, Accelerate
  • Battles, Mirrored
  • Slayer, Christ Illusion

Vinyl releases suspected of being the same master as the CD

  • The Decemberists, The Crane Wife
  • REM, Accelerate
    • Commentary is very divisive. Some people believe the vinyl is clearly superior to the CD, and some people abhor the vinyl as sounding hypercompressed.
  • Autechre: Untilted, Chiastic Slide, Gantz Graf (and probably all others)
  • Shellac: Excellent Italian Greyhound (and probably all others)
  • Of Montreal, Hissing Fauna: Are You The Destroyer?